Fix chat

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  • Michael Gorup

    ravenflight:  Random Guy gave a good explanation as to what he thinks is going on.  Here is the link:

    https://bdsmlr.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360010663060 

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  • ravenflight

    @Michael Gorup - Thanks for that, I'd actually seen that, and specially enjoyed the conclusion that "the second in command is steering the ship by looking up "how to steer a ship" on Google" :-)

    We learn from this that if you buy a big boat, it's probably a good idea to learn how to tell your ass from your engine room ...

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  • Rebeccarigs94

    Michael Gorup : Thanks, for me it was just luck, Jennie seemed to have done actual work on it. I just poked & prodded lol. Jennie  You're welcome, thanks for taking the time to figure it out & post about it. Rosa Isabel Lopez Gomez : ,Michael Gorup :, Jennie :, & ravenflight : Any of you know anything about a new Chat room on the site. I looked on their Twitter & Github pages & didn't see anything about this but under the posts on my dash, the posts containing tags, there's a speech bubble in the tags, not the speech bubble link next to the heart to Like or the Arrows to Reblog, a speech bubble in the tags itself. I can see it next to specific tags, like lesbian or kissing. When you click that speech bubble you get taken to a chat room & I'm ust curious as to whether this is a new feature on the site or not?

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  • Rebeccarigs94

    Yeah, it takes you here to the "Free Chat Zone", what is this?

    https://chat.bdsmlr.com/

    If you click the speech bubble next to a tag it'll take you to that tags channel in the chat room, I just typed in the address to go to the front page & I linked that.

     

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  • Rebeccarigs94

    Ah, okay, this is what they mentioned on the Github post about integrating tagging & chat. So, now when someone clicks a specific tag in chat they go to a specific chatroom about it. Or dedicated to it? Do these chatrooms work better though, I mean I assume since they were building it recently that it will. Not sure I'll use it but at least this shows that they are actually working on the site. So, that's good news at least. My chat s running smoother tonight, at least for now.

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  • ravenflight

    It might be a good idea for the bdsmlr "communications dept" (note the heavy irony) to make this chat room thing public, give a few explanations, and so forth. This has nothing to do with whether I think it's a good idea or not, whether it works or not (I haven't tried it and only found out about it through Rebeccarigs94's comments here.) I just feel that major (or minor, for that matter) feature changes/upgrades generally benefit from being communicated in a meaningful and supportive way.

    Other than that, I still believe that generally, a more helpful way of going about things might be first to fix stuff which is broken before implementing new ideas and keeping dead silent about it.  Still, I do agree, as Rebeccarigs94  points out, they seem to be "actually working on this site". So that definitely deserves a thumbs up!

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  • Windosa

    The support is answering my ticket once a week and for me it seems like they don't even understand what's wrong. They've been asking me to delete cookies, disable ad block and such. I've linked and explained to them everything you guys have found but they don't seem to understand.

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  • d3b4s3r

    The Twitter and dashboard updates are clearly not being written by the same people anymore and it sounds like it's the same for the tickets being answered here.

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  • Michael Gorup

    The chat bubble in the tags may or may not be a good idea.  I don't know, as I didn't register.  However, my thought on it is:  They are aware of us bitching about chat, so they said, if you want to chat so fucking bad, go here.  We haven't the first clue on how to fix the bdsmlr chat, and we don't care to find out.  We'd rather spend our time on GH and stroke our collective cocks, so leave us the fuck alone!

     

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  • Riley

    @Rebeccarigs94 chat.bdsmlr is literally a re-skinned Kiwi IRC which seems like the worst thing to possible to be using considering most people wouldn't have used IRC in the past. We can only hope they fix the site chat before continuing down a path of investing time into external systems that the community will not use.

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  • ravenflight

    I gave this chat thing a brief try - it's an irc channel run by something which is not bdsmlr. All you need to do is enter a nick, you don't need a password - and when you hit ENTER, it takes you to a chat room. When I visited, there were - it said - some 700 people there whose messages flashed past so quickly you were unable to catch up. There appears to be a PRIVATE CHAT function. I didn't stay to work out how the fuck that might work because I was getting very angry very quickly; so I left again.

    Obviously, the "devs" don't understand what we might find attractive about the chat function. I can't speak for everyone, but I daresay the majority are not really interested in being stuck in a chat room housing hundreds of people. Most of us use chat because we like someone's profile, the stuff they post, the comments they make - in short, we like something about them that makes us think: Maybe we could exchange views, ideas, kinks, whatever - with the bottom line being maybe doing that will feed my hardon (or, if you are female, whatever the equivalent may be). In other words: Chat permits us to talk one-to-one in the (relative) privacy of your perversions.

    Directing us to a faceless mass event like this old-fashioned irc shit is not really an indication that these people have a clue. Michael Gorup above, in discussing that impression, used language which indicates how pissed off he has become. And I admit that while I've in previous posts tried to be polite, understanding, patient, civilized - this is becoming right royally absurd. For fucks sake - we are talking CHAT. The most primitive sites manage to provide that function. So stop - as Michael Gorup puts it  - stroking your "collective cocks" and get this the fuck sorted out!

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  • Michael Gorup

    Ravenflight:  To say I was a bit miffed when I wrote the above, would be an understatement.  I had just been on another post about tags, but that's another story.

    I've been looking at other sites, but, unfortunately, non offer the freedom that bdsmlr gives.  They claim to be porn sites, but pics of naked men/women are not permitted?  Be serious!

    The owner(s) of this site should fire the devs.  But as Random Guy stated on another thread, the captain is long gone.

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  • Windosa

    The server was down for a bit but I am able to send messages via the normal chat window again. Can anyone confirm that too?

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  • ravenflight

    Windosa - I can confirm that! Chat window opens without delay, messages are displayed instantly, and it seems that messages you send actually get delivered! So possibly the earlier downtime was required to reset something or other. Be that as it may, for now it looks as though they might have fixed chat! That would be excellent, and serve as proof that they are indeed still working to get things sorted out.

    Michael Gorup - Yeah, it's difficult to find anywhere else that offers the degree of freedom found here (provided "here" works). I have looked at "new tumbl", which does do porn but, to coin a phrase, really sucks. They have a rating system, and if by accident you post something that they think hasn't been assigned the correct rating, you're fucked. Plus, the site is a mess, totally  impersonal and cumbersome.  They ought to be arrested for "assault with a deadly design".

    ## AN HOUR LATER ##

    I may have enthused too soon - the chat window does open instantly BUT there's a delay before individual threads display their content. They will show up tho, or at any rate have done so far. Occasionally one has to close and reopen the chat window thing before that happens. It's still looking like an overall improvement - just not one as brilliant as my first report may have suggested ...

    ## LATER STILL ##

    Forget I spoke. It's back to messages not being displayed, it seems. Click on a thread, wait, wait, wait some more, and finally acknowledge that in this life, you ain't going to see what the message contains. So whatever I may have said above - looks like that no longer applies.

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  • Michael Gorup

    Ravenflight - When I read your first comment about chat, I went there, but the chat box was completely blank, so I waited a bit, and tried again.  It did open right away, so I sent a test message, then emailed the guy.

    We chatted for a bit, but it was slow, and I had to refresh the page a few times, and sign off/on.  It IS getting better.  Hopefully it will remain and get better still.

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  • ravenflight

    Michael Gorup - Yes I agree, ,opening the chat thing a number of times ends up eventually showing you what's there,  and refreshing the page does help - though tbh, having to sign off/on again seems to be rather extreme! I agree it is getting better - and wouldn't it be nice if, as you say, it were to "get better still" :-)

    onfirming that it is technically possible (hiccups or not) to exchange messages again can't be a bad sign!

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  • Michael Gorup

    Not a bad sign at all, ravenflight.  I don't know about you or anyone else, but with chat down, I was spending less time on the site.  If other''s were doing the same, there was less traffic.  Someone could have finally noticed and started kicking dev butt.

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  • ravenflight

    Michael Gorup - I do notice my dashboard being emptier than it used to be, so I assume a lot of people are staying away more. I certainly have been doing much less bdsmlr time.

    Indeed this may persuade staff to Finally Do Something. Though of course your theory assumes there actually is dev butt to kick; for a while, judging by the state of things, I would have thought that more than unlikely. But small improvements like what we seem to be seeing re chat functionality suggests that there must be people actually doing work.

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  • Jennie

    Currently, I am able to send a message to a non-logged in user, close the window, and see that the message is preserved in chat history when I reopen it.

    I don't think sending messages to non-logged in users has worked since about April 13, but its working now. So this is a huge improvement.

    It's taking up to 30 seconds to get the messages across, though (from the time of the POST to /newmessage2 to the HTTP OK.)

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  • Rebeccarigs94

    I haven't been on in a couple days myself. The chat ran really well Sunday into Monday & then it just reverted to the same crap.... Well, not exactly, I had to refresh my dash numerous times to see my messages, even had to refresh a bunch of times when I read out one person's messages & tried to jump to another person's messages, however once I get it open I do seem to be able to respond to them whether they're on or not. It's a minuscule improvement but I suppose it's there. It's just that that improvement, small as it is, is easy to forget since it came after the chat started working fully only to lose it again. Not so much one step forward & two steps back as it is taking a step forward, tripping, & planting yourself face first in the floor.

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  • Jennie

    Times seem much improved since this morning. An odd message or so is taking 30s+, but most are going through in less than 500ms. That's for users who do not appear to be logged in, which wasn't working at all before. (/newmessage2 call)

    The times to load the an old conversation can vary a lot -- one from months ago took just over 10s, but more recent ones are taking 5-6s.

    The /getthreads call (to load the next set batch of conversations) is also running quickly when you're near the top of the chat list, and gets progressively slower as you get further back.

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  • Rebeccarigs94

    Jennie : Now it's working like that for me, but for most of yesterday I had to keep refreshing my dash to open or answer any messages. I chatted with a follower at around 10pm last night & we both had to refresh a few times before opening another tab & keeping the chat open there. It has a lag to open now but it is opening without me having to refresh, small steps but I'll take it. I do wish they'd start back communicating though, the guessing is the biggest problem. Come out & say, the chat will not be working well for x-amount of days & that would be great. Or create an official blog, that would be the best option. Regardless, it's working now so that's great.

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  • ravenflight

    Chat has been dramatically improved. It may have started last night but certainly this morning I had message notifications, was able to open the messages right away, and to send and receive. This makes me think that fruitful work is indeed being done to fix stuff - worth mentioning since, in line with the view others have expressed on here, I'd of late assumed the site was maybe just being left to rot.

    So (at the risk of being prematurely enthusiastic) devs - here's a thumbs up :-)

     

    THREE HOURS LATER:

     

    Did I say thumbs up?

    It's gone all weird again, some of the time it works, others it takes ages to display messages. Seems to be pretty much random, but it's obviously way too early to gush about anything being actually fixed, as in "getting it to work reliably at any given time and in any set of circumstances".

    Well I guess fuck ups is what you get for being an optimist ...

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  • Michael Gorup

    Here, here!  Chat was working fine this morning.  Was able to send and receive from multiple users, without a glitch.  But as Ravenflight pointed out, it's a random thing.  Much better than it was, but more work is needed. 

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  • Rosa Isabel Lopez Gomez

    Hi again! 

    Sorry for not being around here but I had mostly given up on the chat for several days, weeks now I think :p

    One of the solutions pointed out by Rebeccarigs94 does work! Going to another person's profile and sending a message there through the top right speech bubble does indeed send the message, but to reply like this to every message is incredibly annoying! 

    About this site: https://chat.bdsmlr.com/. I have never been more confused! The chat has so many people and it doesn't feel like a bdsmlr chat at all and there is no way to personalize anything :( I clicked around to see if I could change some things and I ended up in wordpress? I don't even know what that is. 

    Clicking around on bdsmlr in the part where you can see things from your account, there is a thing that says BDSM Personals, which is a link to a completely different site called TightCuffs.com. I don't know what relation does it have to bdsmlr, but it seemed like a nice page and I did a profile there but it is not as interesting as bdsmlr :(

    In my country we have a saying that says "el que mucha abarca, poco aprieta" which is the equivalent of "biting more than you can chew", and it feels to me that the people that do bdsmlr are doing this and do not know what direction to take the site.

    Right now I seem to be able to reply to chats with no problem, except for the ones that where already present like opening a chat and having to wait a looot for the messages to appear. Sometimes it doesn't appear at all and I have to reopen the chat or reload the page and try to open the chat again until it works. This wouldn't be so bad if I didn't had so many people to reply to :( 

    This problem with the site has gotten me very frustrated to say the least, and it prompted me to reactivate my profile on fetlife.com, which I am glad I did :) I am NOT abandoning bdsmlr because despite its very big problems I still think it is a good site, but I am understandably frustrated as many of you as well :(

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  • Michael Gorup

    Things seem to be working with Chat, Rosa Gomez.  The box loads almost immediately, and I'm able to chat with more than one person.  As for https://chat.bdsmlr.com/.  I haven't been there, but from what I understand, it's a big chat room with several people chatting.

    BDSM personals (that connects to TightCuffs.com appears to be a dating site for those into bdsm, and has nothing to do with bdsmlr specifically.

     

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  • Rosa Isabel Lopez Gomez

    Michael Gorup yes! it seems to be working with very few issues now, mostly like it used before this hole problem started. Thank you! I hope it stays like this, but I can no longer be sure or optimistic that it will :(

    I dont understand why is there a link to tightcufss.com is it has no relation to bdsmlr? I don't think it would be as important as fixing chat hmmm 

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  • d3b4s3r

    Connecting us to external sites without warning is shady as shit. I'd be wary of signing up for anything. 

     

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  • Michael Gorup

    Maybe bdsmlr is getting some kind of kickback, I don't know.  They could have put it under:  Sites you might enjoy, and provide the links.

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  • Ortho Stice

    Links to external sites should be obvious and should be marked as ads or "partners".

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